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  Child Sacrifice and Exodus 22:29

  by joey jojo in

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  im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first.

  i recently came across exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.. i searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so i thought id start one and see what you guys think.

  im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but i cant find it.. anyway, exodus 22:29 says:.

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  joey jojo

  Pete, any chance you can post a link that discusses this verse pls? My search skills clearly suck.
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  Child Sacrifice and Exodus 22:29

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
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  im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first.

  i recently came across exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.. i searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so i thought id start one and see what you guys think.

  im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but i cant find it.. anyway, exodus 22:29 says:.

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  truthlover123
  when they Israelites came out of egypt, God stated that the firstborn males and animals were to be dedicated to him, not sacrificed. Nations around were sacrificing to false gods one named Molech

  Regarding Molech, was Jehovah unhappy because the children were being sacrificed - or that they werent being sacrificed to him exclusively?
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  Child Sacrifice and Exodus 22:29

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first.

  i recently came across exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.. i searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so i thought id start one and see what you guys think.

  im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but i cant find it.. anyway, exodus 22:29 says:.

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  joey jojo

  Im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first. I recently came across Exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require Israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.

  I searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so I thought Id start one and see what you guys think. Im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but I cant find it.

  Anyway, Exodus 22:29 says:

  You shall not delay to offer from the fulness [sic] of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. The first-born of your sons you shall give to me. You shall do likewise with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its dam; on the eighth day you shall give it to me. (RSV)

  When reading online forums like quora, reddit etc- there are a lot of apologists, including JW's that are doing their white knight duty to defend this verse. Its always funny to see jw's copying and pasting from wt literature without even really taking a deeper look at the subject.

  However, the verse seems to clearly put firstborn humans into the same category of sacrifice as first harvest produce and firstborn animals. They must be sacrificed to god.

  The arguments as to what this verse actually means seem to revolve around the definition of what is a sacrifice (death), and what is a redemption - or something that dies in place of something else. But then that begs the questiion, if something isnt redeemed, must it then die as intended? If it wasnt for the redemption, would god expect it as a sacrifice?

  A verse at Ezekiel 20:25-26 is often cited alongside the Exodus verse, which seems to validate the that the Israelites were, in fact, required to sacrifice their firstborn. It says:

  I also gave them bad laws,
  Laws that were not good
  and rules by which they could not live.
  When they set aside the first issue of every womb
  I defiled them by their very gifts—
  that I might render them desolate,
  that they might know that I am Yhwh.

  In this bizarre scripture, god is admitting to designing bad laws just to 'stick it' to the israelites. I am interested to hear what the brains trust here has to say.

  Here is a good article about this topic:

  https://www.thetorah.com/article/giving-your-firstborn-son-to-god
  
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  Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

  by KerryKing in

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  jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

  wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

  possibly for dairy products only?

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  Blondie, really good points. Try telling someone that humans only started eating meat sometime around 2500 BCE without mentioning the flood.

  I would suspect that even the average JW would find it hard to believe.
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  Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

  by KerryKing in

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  jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

  wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

  possibly for dairy products only?

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  If you believe the garden of eden was a real place - was it a peaceful place where all creation lived in harmony?

  Did lions have big teeth so that when they smiled at the antelopes they would appear friendlier?
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  God won't lift a finger to help you.

  by nicolaou in

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  sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

  if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

  pathetic diversion.

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  If anyone is honest enough to look dispassionately at the universe, very quickly you realise that energy is constantly changing, flowing from state to state.

  Life on this planet is the same. Everything around us wants to take our energy for itself, just like we do with animals and plants that sustain us. Eventually we give up the energy we have and it changes state and becomes something else.

  We don't get our energy back. That's a man-made myth to help us cope with the reality of existence.
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  Sad observation

  by Gorb in

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  2. friends

  reading about jw.org rules changes these days gives me a sad observation.. everything what "is" today, can be gone tomorrow.. that makes it all worthless.

  you were an elder, searching for evidence, and proof to df a person.

  because he or she was not humble enough.

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  JW's have no deeply held convictions. Their most cherished beliefs are subject to change according to whatever the next watchtower says.
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  Is 1st Century advice on marriage still relevant in today’s modern world?

  by liam in

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  2. beliefs

  republicans want to make a law that forbids ‘uncontested divorce”.

  they based this on this scripture.. matthew 19. is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”.

  4 “haven’t you read,” jesus replied, “that at the beginning the creator ‘made them male and female,’and said, ‘for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ so they are no longer two, but one flesh.

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  Hi Liam, that's an interesting story.

  Here is some crude advice I once heard;

  If it flys, floats or f*cks - rent it.
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  Will there ever be any new GB members?

  by Mikejw in

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  the last two seem very young.. will there be any further new gb members or will they all die off?.

  i still remember when tony morris and a few other joined many were disappointed thinking the current crop would be the last.

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  joey jojo

  I saw something on social media the other day that pointed out that 1971 to 1918 is the same amount of time as 1971 to 2024.

  Take a moment and let that sink in.

  
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses "Declare the Good News" around the World this week. JW Child abuse PAGE ONE on Google news!

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  7/28/2024 sunday, despite dozens of watchtower official press releases attempting to swamp google seo, new zealand child abuse outrages climb to page one for "jehovah" news results.. ".

  former jehovah's witnesses welcome inquiry's findings of 'credible evidence' of abuse.

  8:07 am on 27 july 2024".

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  joey jojo

  https://cne.news/article/4220-jehovahs-witnesses-ease-shunning-rules-after-blow-in-oslo-court

  Another good article about the Norway verdict.(Apologies if already posted)